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Kiene's Fly Fishing Co. Fishing Report

 

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 FISHING REPORT

Updated - 9/23/17

EASTERN SIERRA

TRUCKEE RIVER


Current River Conditions: Flows are now down to 82 CFS at Truckee and fish are concentrated in deeper runs, tributary inlets and springs.  The river is flowing at over 500 CFS below Boca. 

Nights have cooled off a little and the fish are active.  Word is that many fish have moved downstream into deeper cooler and more oxygenated water . . . as far down as Reno.   One report we received today, was that the river was "on fire" below Herschdale with large fish taking black Stonefly nymphs and Stimulators on top.    

This is probably your last chance to fish hoppers as nights are getting colder.   Don't neglect Crawdads which the bigger fish devour.  Dead drift your favorite Crawdad pattern through the usual holding lies for some serious hookups.  Now is the time to creep an October Caddis pattern along the bottom as they are beginning to make their move.  With cooler weather, it might be a good idea to be prepared for Baetis hatches on cloudy days.  

Good patterns to try are those that represent larval stages of PMDs, Blue Wing Olives and Caddis larva. We have reports that passionate pink San Juan Worms under an indicator along the edges are catching fish. 

Recommended Patterns
Dries:

Parachute/tan or pale yellow #16 & #18,  Stimulator/#10 & #12,

Humpy/yellow #14 & #16, Adams Parachute #14, Crazy Charlie #10, Royal Wulff #14, Renegade #14. 

Nymphs:

Pheasant Tail #12, #14 & #16, San Juan Worm/passionate pink, Mercer's Epoxy Stone #12 & #14 Copper John/red or copper #14, #16, Prince Nymph (various sizes), Wooly Bugger/rusty, black, Glow Bug/red. Near Nuff Crayfish #8, Mercer's Micro Mayfly #18,  Black Rubber Legs.

Crawdads: Our guides recommend the Near Nuff Crayfish #8 or Creek Crawler #8.  

LITTLE TRUCKEE RIVER


Current River Conditions: Flows have risen to around 165 CFS though the river is still at a very fishable flow.  

Fishing  should remain good but unfortunately we haven't received any reliable recent reports.  As soon as we do we will post it here. Higher flows should bring in more browns from the main Truckee, so it is worth giving things a try for what could be some larger fish.  

This is a good river to fish with a guide your first time out so give us a call at the shop and we will hook you up . . . no pun intended.   

Recomended Patterns

Dries:

Parachute PMD pale yellow #16 & #18, Stimulator/Yellow #10 & #12, Fat Albert/tan #8, Humpy/yellow #14 & #16, Parachute Blue Wing Olive #18. Adams Parachute #14 & #16. 

Nymphs:

Pheasant Tail #12, #14 #16 & #18, San Juan Worm/pink, Mercer's Epoxy Stone #12 & #14, Copper John/red or copper #14, #16, Mercer's Micro Mayfly #18.

A crawdad pattern might get you a big one.

 

WEST CARSON RIVER


Current River Conditions: Flows are running at 67 CFS which is perfect for this beautiful water. 

Fishing is good. It's regularly planted and  There are also a bunch  of small LCTs that  were planted by the CDFW this summer.  Fishing the freestone section in the canyon is the best bet at this time.  It will be planted again next week.

Recommended Patterns

Dry Flies:

Parachute Adams #14 & #16, Yellow Humpy #16, Elk Hair Caddis #14, Royal Wulff #16, Parachute Ant #14, Dave's Hopper #10, Fat Albert #10.

Nymphs:Pheasant Tail #12, #14 & #16, San Juan Worm/pink, Golden Stone Nymph #10, & #12, Copper John/red or copper #14, #16, Prince Nymph (various sizes), Wooly Bugger/rusty, black, Glow Bug/red, Squirmy Wormy/red, pink and brown, Liz's Tequila Twist.

 

EAST CARSON RIVER


Current River Conditions: Flows have are continuing to drop and are now down to 158 CFS which is a great flow for this river.  Check weather reports before going as summer thunderstorms can blow this river out quickly. 
Fishing is red  hot. The river should fish great this weekend.  Many of the most recently planted fish are in the 2 lb  range.  A #8 Stimulator or foam hopper pattern with a red Copper John below will be deadly on these fish.  Fish have been planted in several spots along Hwy 89 and Hwy 4. 

Recommended Patterns

Pheasant Tail #12, #14 & #16, San Juan Worm/passionate pink, Liz's Tequila Twist, Golden Stone Nymph #8,, #10, & #12, Copper John/red or copper #14, #16, Prince Nymph (various sizes), Wooly Bugger/rusty, black, Glow Bug/red.  If you see a pod of planters, try dragging a rusty Wooly Bugger with a size #18, Copper John/red tied on as a dropper through the school.

WEST WALKER RIVER


Current River Conditions: Flows are at a very fishable 119 CFS. 

Fishing remains very good.  Planted fish have been spread out at several locations on the river. Local guide reports that her clients did very well dead drifting Prince Nymphs under an indicator in the canyon section.  Try stripping streamers along the rip-rap or swinging through the fast water to the seams.  Try crossing the river to the east bank and you will be surprised at how much better you do.  No word about fishing at Picel Meadows.  

Recommended Patterns

Dry Flies:

Parachute Adams #14 & #16, Yellow Humpy #16, Elk Hair Caddis #14, Royal Wulff #16, Parachute Ant #14.

Nymphs:

Pheasant Tail #12, #14 & #16, San Juan Worm/passionate pink, Golden Stone Nymph #8,, #10, & #12, Copper John/red or copper #14, #16, Prince Nymph (various sizes), Wooly Bugger/rusty, olive or black, Glow Bug/red, Fat Albert/tan #8

 

EAST WALKER RIVER


Current River Conditions: Flows have dropped down to  195 CFS and conditions are good.  

Fishing is still very good.  Unusually cool water and great flows for this time of year is making fall of 2017 a great time to fish the eastern Sierra.  

 A fair number of fish are going over 15" are being caught both on the CA side and the NV side.  Good reports from Sceriene Ranch in NV too.  If the CA side is too crowded head downstream a few miles to the Rosaschi Ranch in NV for some solitude and some great fishing.  Reports are that Rainbows are predominantly found on the Nevada side with most Browns on the CA side. 

Stripping an articulated leach or wooly bugger along the edges of the undercuts can produce some of the bigger fish.  Indicator fishing  with nymphs such as Princes, San Juan Worms, Stonefly nymphs and Copper Johns catch fish too.  Make sure a midge pattern is a part of any two fly rig.  Use lots of weight.  Hoppers are prolific but fish are only occasionally on them.  Small bead head Pheasant Tails (#16 & #18) and Caddis pupa patterns will get grabs.  Try a red Squirmy Wormy, or Liz's Tequila Twist as a part of any two fly rig.  They look like aquatic worms but also remind the fish of blood midges that are prolific in the lake above.   

Recomended Patterns

Dry Flies:

Parachute Adams #14 & #16, Yellow Humpy #16, Elk Hair Caddis #14, Royal Wulff #16, Parachute Ant #14.

Nymphs (recommend all bead head):

Pheasant Tail 14 & #16, San Juan Worm/passionate pink, Mercer's Epoxy Stone #8,, #10, & #12, Mercer's Micro Mayfly #18,  Copper John/red or copper #14, #16, Prince Nymph (various sizes), Wooly Bugger/rusty, black, Glow Bug/red.  Zebra Midge/black, brown, red #18 & #20, WD40 gray #18 & #20, Liz's Tequila Twist (worm pattern). 

 

UPPER OWENS RIVER


Current River Conditions: Flows are down to  68 CFS which is very fishable.   
Fishing is only fair.  Not much has changed.  Hoppers are begining to diminish but the fish will still will still take hopper patterns on top.   Water upstream from the Hot Creek confluence is cooler and will provide a better chance to catch fish.  Most fish are small though their are some nice size planters recently dumped into the areas around the campgrounds.  The big ones should be entering the river soon.

Recomended Patterns

Dries:

Adams Parachute #14-#16, Elk Hair Caddis #14-#16, EC Caddis #16-#18, Dave's Hopper #10, Fat Albert #10

Nymphs:

Pheasant Tail #12, #14 & #16, San Juan Worm/passionate pink, Golden Stone Nymph #8,, #10, & #12, Copper John/red or copper #14, #16, Prince Nymph (various sizes), Wooly Bugger/rusty, black, Glow Bug/red.  Zebra Midge/black, brown, red, Fox's Poopah

LOWER OWENS RIVER


Current River Conditions: Flows have remained at about 500 CFS making the river marginally fishable.  Best fishing is going to be upstream closer to the dam.  Expect flows to stay about the same until fall.

Fishing is still poor, as flows are still high.

Recomended Patterns

Pheasant Tail #12, #14 & #16, San Juan Worm/passionate pink, Golden Stone Nymph #8,, #10, & #12, Copper John/red or copper #14, #16, Prince Nymph (various sizes), Wooly Bugger/rusty, black, Glow Bug/red.  Zebra Midge/black, brown or red, Fox's Poopah

 

HOT CREEK


Current River Conditions: Flows 60 CFS.   

Fishing remains fair to good.  Not much has changed.  Mini Caddis are what's happening right now.  Tent Caddis patterns work better than Elk Hair. Hoppers are beginning to wane but fish will still give them some attention.

No word yet on the results of the electro shocking last week  but keep checking back and we will let you know as soon as we get a report.

When you first approach the river, fish the edge closest to you and you be surprised that their might be a trout at your feet.  In the meanwhile, have a look at our hatch chart so you can be ready with the right flies once the creek gets into shape.  

Remember, we have all the transitional fly patterns that you need for fishing Hot Creek such  plus fly tying materials to tie them, if you tie your own. 

Save years of trial and error by hiring one of our guides to show you the ropes.  Email Gary at the shop and he will  set you up.   

Recomended Patterns

Nymphs:

Bead Head Pheasant Tail  #16, #18 #20, San Juan Worm/passionate pink, , Copper John/red or copper #18, #16, Prince Nymph (various sizes), Wooly Bugger/rusty, black, Glow Bug/red.  Zebra Midge/black, brown, red, Fox's Poopah #18. Scud/pink #14. Bird's Nest #16, #18

Olive, Black, Natural Rabbit. WD-40/black, chocolate, gray, olive #18, #20, Disco Midge/red,pearl #18, #20

Dries: 

Elk Hair Caddis #18, #20, Tent Caddis #18, #20, EC Caddis #18, #20, Griffiths Gnat #18, #20, Para Midge #18, #20, CDC Loop Winged Emerger #18, #20
Brooks Sprout Midge/black, cream, gray, olive #18, #20, #24, Brooks Sprout Baetis #18, #20, #24, Brooks Sprout PMD #18, Brooks Sprout Trico #18, #20, #2, Quill Body Parachute/olive, tan, black  #18, #20, Quigley Cripple/gray #18, CDC Floating Nymph Emerger/Baetis, PMD #18, Rusty Spinner #18, Black Spinner #20, Lawson's Thorax/PMD, Baetis  #18, #20

CROWLEY LAKE


Current Conditions:  Water is clear   
Fishing is fair.  Many of the fish have moved into the north arm and are staging for the fall spawn. Midges suspended under an indicator are your best bet, but for those who like to think outside of the box, a Balance Leach below an indicator might be worth a try.      

Recommended Flies

Suspending midge patterns such as Zebra Midges/black or olive #14-#18 under an indicator or stripping leaches such as the Hale Bopp/black or brown, and Matukas  #10 are getting fish.     

 

PYRAMID LAKE

Opens on October 1st
Water Conditions: Good but with some algae. 
Fishing  should be good for the opener.  Recent report is that the Cui Chub bait balls have spread out and moved a little further from shore, but that can change by the opener.  Throwing a Clouser Minnow into a bait ball can entice some exciting strikes from big LCTs 
LATEST WORD . . .
  1. Howard's and Dago will be CLOSED, due to Cultural issues.2. 
  2. Road and beaches from 9 Mile to NORTH is CLOSED.
  3. Beaches that are open on the 1st, from South of 9 Mile to South(ish) of Dago.

This ALL can change, depending on the repair of the road near 9 Mile.. though not likely anytime soon, due to it still have a crevasse of 16' in it, and the tribe is responsible for repairs...

WEST SLOPE NORTHERN SIERRA

 

UPPER SACRAMENTO RIVER

Current River Conditions: Flows are running about 250 CFS at Delta and water is clear and cooling off.   

Fishing is fair to good.  River is in good shape but is in its usual late summer mode.  With cooler air temperatures fishing is showing improvement.  Fishermen have been doing well in town and there are reliable reports of some larger fish showing at the lower end of the river near Delta. River is loaded with October Caddis so fishing should be great in a couple of weeks. The section between Dunsmuir and Sims is fishing the best.  

Early morning and evening will provide some surface action and as a matter of fact do all your fishing in the morning or evening and siesta mid day.  Swinging nymphs through oxygenated riffles will get fish during mid day.  Black Rubber Legs #8 are the hot fly right now. Small dark nymphs under an indicator will get grabs.  Creeping an October Caddis nymph along the bottom might get a few pick-ups.  Not a lot of bugs this year, probably due to the scouring by floods last winter.  

Bugs consist mainly of Mayflies and Caddis.  PMD larva imitations (bead head Pheasant Tails #14 & #16 will do) and or soft hackles rigged along with a heavy Bead Head Golden Stone imitation #8, should work well in the seams and edges.  A black or rusty Wooly Bugger will work stripping in the seams.

If you new to the Upper Sac the best way to learn it is to spend a day with one of our guides.  It's an easy river to learn but why spend several trips getting acquainted when with a guide you can learn it all in a day.  Give us a call if you would like to book some time on the water.

Recomended Patterns

Nymphs:

Bead Head Pheasant Tail #12, #14 & #16, San Juan Worm/passionate pink, Bead Head Golden Stone Nymph #8,, #10, & #12, Copper John/red or copper #14, #16, Bead Head Prince Nymph (various sizes), Wooly Bugger/rusty, black, Glow Bug/red. 

tungsten bead Zebra Midge/black, brown, red, Fox's Poopah #14 & #16. Scud/pink #14.

Dries: 

Stimulator #8-#12, Adams Parachute #14 & #16

Elk Hair Caddis #14 & #16,

Parachute PMD #14 & #16

Parachute Ant #14

Dave's Hopper #10

Fat Albert #10

 

McCLOUD RIVER


Current River Conditions: Flows are up a little to around 247 CFS at Ah d Na and water is pretty clear.  

River is fishing is good and not much change from last week.  A few large fish are making their way upstream from Lake Shasta so stripping streamers can be productive.  October Caddis are getting ready to hatch, so a pupa patterns under an indicator is worth a try. With a little cooler weather forecasted for this coming week things may turnaround. Lots of October Caddis are on the rocks so in a couple of weeks . . . look out! 

Major hatches are over. Several anglers have had good luck on #8 black Rubber Legs.  Dark Lords and Princes work well too. 

Book a guide trip with one of our guides for the legendary October Caddis hatch.  Contact the shop and we can hook you up with one of our guides for a memorable trip.

Recomended Patterns

Nymphs:

Bead Head Pheasant Tail #12, #14 & #16, San Juan Worm/passionate pink, Bead Head Golden Stone Nymph #8,, #10, & #12, Copper John/red or copper #14, #16, Bead Head Prince Nymph (various sizes), Wooly Bugger/rusty, black, Glow Bug/red, Mercer's Z Wing Caddis #13 & #16

tungsten bead Zebra Midge/black, brown, red, Fox's Poopah #14 & #16. Scud/pink #14.

Dries: 

Stimulator #8-#12, Adams Parachute #14 & #16,  PMD Parachute #16, Elk Hair Caddis #14 & #16, Parachute PMD #14 & #16, Quigley Cripple #16.

 

HAT CREEK


Current River Conditions: downstream from  Power House #2: Flows are are about 180 CFS with good clarity.  Remember to  use a wading staff to cross the riffle.  

Fishing remains fair to good.  Not that crowded right now, particularly during the week.

Tricos are on the water around 8 AM in the flats with a spinner fall after 10 AM.  Calibaetis in the afternoon.  Try a hopper dropper with a red #18 Copper John in the riffles.   Fishing should improve with the cooler weather over the next week.   

If the Powerhouse is too crowded for you head down to Carbon Flats or to the lower creek just above Lake Britton, and fish the pocket water where there has been good Caddis action.  Swinging an olive or tan Bird's Nest in the riffles and seams can be succesfull.  In the evening stalk the flats below Power House #2 or at Carbon Flats for sipping risers.   

Hopper dropper set ups with a PMD or Caddis larva down below can be deadly.  Golden Stone and Little Yellow Stone larval patterns do well now.  For dries be ready with PMD, Caddis, Little Yellow Stone, Callebaetis, BWO adult and cripple patterns and Trico parachutes. Don't forget that rusty spinners can be deadly at dusk. Lastly, drifting a red Copper John under a small indicator can be deadly in the faster water.  A good set up would be a combination of the Copper John and a Fox's Poopah.

Recomended Patterns 

Nymphs:

Bead Head Pheasant Tail #12, #14 & #16 & #18, San Juan Worm/passionate pink, Bead Head

Golden Stone Nymph #8,, #10, & #12, Copper John/red or copper #14, #16, #18, Bead Head

Prince Nymph (various sizes), Wooly Bugger/rusty, black, Black Rubber Legs #2

tungsten bead Zebra Midge/black, brown, red, Fox's Poopah #14 & #16. Scud/pink #14, Bird's Nest #14 & #16.

Dries:

Stimulator #2-#12, Adams Parachute #14 & #16, Elk Hair Caddis #14 & #16, .Trico Parachute #20, Parachute PMD #16, Quigley Cripple/gray #14 & #16, and #18, Elk Hair Caddis #14 & #16, Cutter's EC Caddis #16.

 

FALL RIVER


Current River Conditions: Flows are normal and water is very clear.  

Fishing remains fair which is normal for this time of the year.  Swinging streamers, and Bird Nests is the best tactic right now. Also try swinging a soft hackle in areas you see fish. Cooler nights are finally here so fishing should get better soon. 

When dry fly fishing, try twitching the fly at the end of the drift which turns the fly into a cripple and sometimes will draw a strike. Don't bother with dry flies unless you see rising fish. Down below, swinging an olive leach pattern such as a Hale Bopp, a Pheasant Tail Soft Hackle resembling a PMD or a Callibaetis emerger (Gold Rib Hare's ear) attached to a sink tip to get you the biggest fish.

The Fall River is only accessible by watercraft and  requires that you use somesome specialized techniques, so we recommend that you fish it with a guide the first time.  Call Kiene's we will hook you up with one of our guides.

Recommended Patterns

Dries:

Parachute PMD/yellow #16 & #18, Humpy/yellow #16 & #18, Elk Hair Caddis #16, #18.  Quigley Cripple/gray #18, Baetis (Blue Wing Olive) Parachute #18

Nymphs:

Pheasant Tail #12, #14 & #16, San Juan Worm/passionate pink, Copper John/red or copper #14, #16, Prince Nymph (various sizes), Wooly Bugger/olive,  Zebra Midge/black, brown, red, Fox's Poopah #16 & #18, Hale Bop Olive #8, Mercer's Micro Mayfly #18. 

VALLEY TAIL WATERS

FEATHER RIVER LOW FLOW


Current River Conditions: Flows are at 900 CFS in the low flow section.   

Fishing remains fair  Reports are coming in that smaller Steelhead and a few adults have moved into the system.  Fish are in the riffles and deep runs.  Most fish are caught by swinging olive Bird's Nests and Prince Nymphs.  Baetis nymphs and small (#18 & smaller) PTs under an indicator will catch fish. Salmon are moving into the system so the egg bite should be getting started soon.  

Try swinging an olive Bird's Nest #14, bead head Prince #12, Silver Hilton #10 or even a Glow Bug. Salmon should be in the system real soon, and the egg bite will be on. 

 

LOWER YUBA RIVER


Current River Conditions: Flows remain at 1,120 CFS. River has changed dramatically due to winter flooding, though the river looks great.  Boat launching is still possible at the bridge but make sure you have a high center 4x4.  

Fishing is fair with your best chances from a boat. Not a lot of bugs this year due to the scouring of winter flows but fish are definitely on to hoppers right now.   What fish are being caught are skinny and somewhat small.  Fish are on the move so if you are not having any luck on one section, then move on.   The river is best fished from a driftboat.

Our shop guide Andy Guibrod reports that he did well on Stripers just below Daguerre Dam this past week.  He caught a couple of nice Rainbows too.

Try swinging an olive Bird's Nest #14 on a sink tip into the seams close to shore. Salmon should be trickling in soon.  Shortly, the fish will be on an egg bite once the Salmon get down to business.

Remember that the river upstream from Hwy 20 bridge is now closed to protect spawning Salmon until December 1st.

Recomended Patterns 

Nymphs:

Bead Head Pheasant Tail #12, #14 & #16, San Juan Worm/passionate pink, Copper John/red or copper #14, #16, Bead Head Prince Nymph (various sizes), Wooly Bugger/rusty, black, Glow Bug/red.  tungsten bead Zebra Midge/black, brown, red, Fox's Poopah #14 & #16. Scud/pink #14.

Mercer's Z Wing Caddis #14, bead head Bird's Nest/olive or tan. 

Dries:

Adams Parachute #14 & #16, Elk Hair Caddis #14 & #16, Stimulator #8, Fat Albert/tan #10, Hippy Stomper #10

 

LOWER AMERICAN RIVER


Current River Conditions: Flows are are still holding steady at around 3500 CFS

Fishing remains fair which is typical for Septemer.  Stripers are done for the time being.

Half Pounders are increasing in numbers and remain scattered from Nimbus to Paradise Beach.  Received a good report from the Gristmill access.   Fishing for Half Pounders should be getting better in the next few weeks once air temps drop.  Fair number of Salmon have been seen up to Sailor Bar river. As Salmon begin to sit on redds, Steelhead will hold downstream. 

Our shop guide, Andy Guibord, recommends that for Half Pounders, swinging streamers such as Silver Hiltons or olive Bird's Nests will elicit strikes. 

Our guides at the shop are on the AR every day, so stop by and pick their brains or maybe let them take you out and get you into some fish.

Recomended Flies

Striped Bass: Clouser Minnows/all color combinations but chartreuse and white seem to never fail 

Half Pounders: Andy at the shop recommends swinging, Wooly Buggers, Fox's Poopa/olive, Bird's Nest/olive, Slump Busters #10, Zonkers #10, Silver Hilton. 

LOWER MOKELUMNE RIVER


Current River Conditions: This week flows were raised by EBMUD to 2000 CFS to provide a pulse flow to attract Salmon.  River should stay that way for awhile. 

With higher flows fishing the section upstream from the park to the hatchery is out of the question but for those who float below the park,  you may have a chance at half-pounder Steelhead and a few large adults that are begining to enter the system due to the higher flows.    

Caddis and Mayfly dries should work fine.  Work Caddis larva and bead head Pheasant Tails (#14 to #18) in the deeper holes and eddies.  Stripping a traditional Steelhead fly such as a Silver Hilton might get you a larger fish.  If you want to really think outside the box, how about trying a small Clouser Minnow??

PUTAH CREEK


Current River Conditions: Flows remain at 344 CFS with a green tint.

Fishing is poor.  Not much has changed but in about a month fishing should begin to improve.  Experienced anglers are getting a few fish and some big ones at that.  If you are careful, you can fish the edges of the creek with midge larval patterns suspended under an indicator and get some nice fish.  Fish weighted nymphs to make sure you get to the bottom. 

Recomended Patterns

Nymphs:

Bead Head Pheasant Tail #12, #14 & #16, #18 & #20 San Juan Worm/passionate pink, Copper John/red or copper #16 & #18, Bead Head Prince Nymph (various sizes), Wooly Bugger/rusty, black, Glow Bug/red.  tungsten bead Zebra Midge/black, brown, red #18-#20, WD 40 #18 & #20, Fox's Poopah #14 & #16. Scud/pink #14.

Dries:

Adams Parachute #14 & #16, Elk Hair Caddis #14 & #16, Comparadun #18, 

 

NORTH COAST

KLAMATH RIVER

Current River Conditions: The river is running at about 2340 CFS at Orleans, about 950 CFS at Irongate Dam.  ​

Fishing is good and improving.  The rain this past week raised the river about six inches so as usual, the Steelhead in the lower river skedaddled right up to the Orleans area where fishing is good.    

Keep checking our river flows link below for up to date water temperatures and flows.  Swinging with a Silver Hilton in the riffles is catching fish.  

RUSSIAN RIVER


Current River Conditions: Flows are little above 147 CFS with a green tint.

Fishing is fair.  Not much has changed since our last report.  River is in the doldrums and will stay that way until we get some rain.  For those who get on the water early before the swimmers and inter tubers, there is some good Smallmouth fishing to be had. 

 

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